Wednesday, October 8, 2008

Debates

So, I watched most of the McCain / Obama debate last night. No clear knock-out either way, which is bad news for McCain. Unless he changes the dynamic in the race, I think Obama has it. McCain could have gone at Obama on the Bill Ayers connection, but he steered clear of it. Which was a good idea in that townhall format. I think the Ayers friendship (along with Wright and Father what's-his-name) is actually significant in that it shows a disturbing trend as far as the company Obama keeps.

I watched the debate on CNN, and they had the strangely mesmerizing Undecided Ohio Voter Postive/Negative Meter Thingie at the bottom of the screen the entire time. This was one of those charts that somehow tracked, second by second, how a group of undecided Ohio voters felt about what was being said. In the middle was neutral, and if they liked what was being said, the line drifted up. If they did not like what was being said, the line would go south. I couldn't keep my eyes of the line. How did the undecided Ohioans like McCain's joke? What did they think of Obama's jab at McCain?? I had to know! Generally, I think the Ohioans liked Obama a bit more. Although McCain's positives were high when he was on foreign policy.

I don't think that debate really changed much of anything.

I meant to post about the Palin/Biden debate from last week as well. Palin has convinced me that I cannot vote for John McCain. The pundits were saying she succeeded at the debate because she essentially spoke in complete sentences. Talk about low expectations. Personally, I was very disturbed by her performance. After the intensive week of preparations, she managed to memorize about ten talking points. No matter what question was asked, she got back to one of her "safe" talking points. She even said as much, when she gave the lame line about "I don't know if I will answer these questions the way you want them answered, but I want to talk straight with the American people..." In other words, 'I am going to stick to my pre-prepared 10 mini-speeches, no matter what question is asked.' In that, she was extremely successful.

I just cannot imagine her stepping into the job of president. And the way John McCain was wheezing last night in the microphone (was I the only one who noticed his troubled breathing?), I will not risk having Sarah Palin take that job. She is embarrassing. What the hell is she going to do when she sits across the table from Putin? Wink and smirk (like she did countless times into the camera during the debate)? This is from a John McCain supporter. I will not cast a vote for Obama, so I may have to sit this one out. Since I'm in Texas, my vote isn't that important anyway. This state will go McCain with or without my vote.

14 comments:

JMW said...

You can't vote for Obama? I don't get that. I thought you respected him.

But I'm glad you see the craziness of the Palin selection. Of course, it says something bad about McCain that he made the selection.

Well, interesting to hear your take on things as events change. I think the Ayers and Wright things aren't totally empty problems, but it's not like you're talking about any trouble with McCain and Palin's associations - the various religious nut jobs they have in their corner....and the secessionists who's she's linked to directly in just the past few years!! I get concern about associations, but doesn't it cut both ways?

Dezmond said...

I do respect him. But I have serious problems with many of his positions.

Unknown said...

Well, I don't see not voting as an option. I get very angry when people choose not to vote. I just don't think it's the way the system should work. I think you're probably correct that a vote for Obama is a wasted vote in Texas, and I think that's a shame. There are millions of Obama supporters in this state that will literally play NO part in the election of the next President. To me, that just seems wrong. But, regardless, even if you know your vote will not make a difference in the long-run, I still think it is your responsibility to get out there and make your small voice heard in some way. If you don't like either of the major candidates, find a third-party guy who strikes your fancy, and vote for him. But, vote for someone!

Now, on to a timeline. In January of this year, I made the comment that Barack Obama would be the next President of the United States. Everyone (Pocky) said I was insane, because clearly Hillary Clinton was going to be the Democratic candidate. I stood my ground on that prediction, and ultimately, things started to swing my way. At some point after the two ultimate candidates became clear, and I'm actually not sure why, I started to waver. It began to seem to me that support was going to shift towards McCain enough to get him elected. When he made the selection of Palin, I felt even more strongly that I was correct. Despite jmw's misgivings, I still see that decision as a smart move. I think she energized that campaign, and she got people excited about the race and talking about John McCain. I don't think he could have done any better with someone else. I think he was fighting a losing battle to start with, and he knew it, and his only option was to do something completely unexpected. A more traditional choice not only would not have helped him with this election, but it also would not have given him the "buzz" that he was able to create for at least a few weeks.

Now, I have several problems. First, Obama did not need these debates to win this election. McCain did. Obama just had to be good enough to get through them. McCain needed to be spectacular. He has not been.

Also, Sarah Palin has become like a girlfriend that I once had during my freshman year of high school. Everything that I liked originally and thought was cute and interesting about her very quickly became annoying, irritating, and embarrassing, and I just wanted her to go away. I now feel the same way about Sarah Palin. The Couric interview and the debate were painful, and if I never hear Palin talk again, I'll be ok with that. Perhaps, like my high school girlfriend, I will feel differently after some time has passed. Maybe in two or three years, I will want to see Sarah Palin every couple of months, and I will find her cute and interesting again. But even then, after a few hours have passed, I will need her to go away for awhile.

Right now, the only positive to having Palin around is that I get to see my future second wife, Tina Fey, back on SNL every week. That has made the whole thing worthwhile.

So, where am I going with all of this? Nowhere, really. I'm just bored at my office and don't feel like working on a Jewish holiday, while my boss is at home repenting.

Oh wait, no, I did have a point...

I have now swung full circle back to my original January 2008 prediction. Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. The difference between me and Dez, it would appear, is that I am starting to get a very strong feeling that I will be voting Democrat next month.

pockyjack said...

WOAH!!!!

I never said the Shrillary was going to be the Dem Candidate. I was surprised that she made it as far as she did, but I have said from the beginning that she would not even be the nominee. YOU were the one that said that the Republicans will win in November. I always said they would probably not not.

To this day I still think McCain was the best candidate the Republicans could have put out there. The problem is that people get much more wrapped up in style than substance. Right now i am so disgusted with McCain because my two biggest fears about the guy 1) He is a hot head and 2) he is just not that bright are proving themselves to be true. Just look at how he reacted in the last few weeks to the Banking crisis - he clearly does not understand. The problem is that neither does Obama.

I will still vote for McCain, not because I think Obama is not competent, but because of the people he will put in his administration. Plus, we have enough spending problems in our Federal government. Having a Democrat Congress and Presidency scares the crap out of me. At least republican spending generally leads to economic growth. Democratic spending is used to buy bread, which as we ll know, turns into poop. And poop does not really lead to job growth.

And the Palin choice was idiotic

Unknown said...

Pocky, I'm not going to relive the whole debate. However, here are the highlights. In early January of this year, I mentioned a discussion that I had had with my liberal brother-in-law and his very liberal wife over New Year's Eve. The contents of that discussion, as well as other things that I was hearing at the time, led me to believe that Obama would be the next President. Your reply was that you could not undertsand why I would think that when the polls were clearly showing that Hillary would be the nominee. We then got into a big discussion on the merits of polls that lasted several months. I am sure that Dez and/or Willis could back me up on this.

Also, I have only predicted a Republican victory one time in a comment that I made on this site a month or so ago. Other than that time, I have always said that Barack Obama was going to win this election.

As for Palin, I just don't see that McCain could have done any better. It has been clear for some time that he is not the favorite in this race. The only way he was going to win was to take a gamble. This one worked for a while, and is now falling apart. But, would Romney as his VP have turned this thing around, or some other (male) Republican governor that no one really knew, but at the same time, couldn't really find anything wrong with. No...that type of selection would have done nothing to win McCain this election. If Palin had been able to hold her own in interviews and her debate, she could have made a difference.

JMW said...

I just want to applaud Walter Evans on that paragraph about Palin and an ex-girlfriend. Awesome.

As for spending problems in the federal gov't, I agree that the Dems have an earned reputation for adding to those problems. But how in the world do you get worse than the GOP-driven spending for the past eight years? How?

Unknown said...

Agreed...Bush abandoned the GOP philosophy on many issues years ago.

And, I certainly don't trust McCain to tow the party line.

Dezmond said...

Walter, what's my option? I'm not going to vote just for the sake of voting. I will vote if there is a candidate out there that I believe in. You know that I've been a McCain booster since 2000, so it pains me not to cast a vote for him. But dammit, Palin is a joke. She is an absolute joke. I cannot contribute to the possibility that she will be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

And I cannot vote for Obama because I disagree with him on too many fundamental issues.

So, according to you, I ought to drift over to Nader or Barr? Uh, no thanks.

I'll be sitting this one out.

There are two kinds of people who don't vote. One kind is lazy and/or uninformed. The other genuinely cannot get behind any of the candidates. the first deserves your scorn. The other does not. they are making just as a legitimate choice as those who are voting.

I'm stuck. Palin nixes McCain for me, and I can't go with Obama. I will not vote for Nader or Barr. So there you go.

JMW said...

I think not voting can be a legitimate response to things, but here's where I disagree with you, Dez -- if your differences of opinion with Obama are of the variety that you normally have with a Democrat (in other words, you don't think he's dangerous), and if you think you "cannot contribute" to Palin being a heartbeat away from the presidency, it seems like the latter would be a motivation to vote for Obama. Yes, in that case you wouldn't be voting for someone of whom you wholly approve, but you would be voting against a potential president (Palin) whose ascendance you would totally oppose, and might even be frightened of. It seems like voting against something can be just as legitimate as voting for something, and maybe the thing you're most strongly against in this election is the idea of Palin in the big chair. Maybe your affection for McCain makes it difficult to vote against him, but you're a government teacher, for lord's sake -- it does seem like you abstaining is a bit of a copout. There's no such thing as an ideal candidate, after all. You lean libertarian, or so you've said. Why wouldn't a vote for, say, Barr be a perfectly understandable act of protest? Just my two cents...

Dezmond said...

Because Bob Barr is a complete and utter jackass opportunist.

Anonymous said...

WHEEZING!

Why hasn't the media picked up on that? He was totally wheezing throughout the second debate. A vote for McCain is a voted for President Palin (shudder the thought).

-Scott

pockyjack said...

Dez, quit voting for a king and vote for a party. Would you really rather have the Dems control the Executive and Legislative? I think McCain is a poor choice too, but both candidates can't be as EQUALLY poor. Choose the lesser of two weasels.


And to the comment that you can't see the Dems spending as much as the Republican, that may be true, but Republicans (at least philosophically) spend money on tanks and planes and business that goes to create other jobs. Dems spend money on bread, which turns into poo. there is not much you can do with poo.

JMW said...

pockyjack, you're not talking about the current Republican party. I agree with you "philosophically," as you say, but they've broken from their philosophy. Reward them now and say goodbye to this party you speak of for at least another 50 years.

pockyjack said...

I don't disagree with you there. But I can still hope. Isn't that what Obama wants me to do anyway? Besides, i know what I will get with the dems.